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Poster: adks12020 Date: Jun 6, 2011 7:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Furthur @ Shoreline

Does anyone have recordings of the recent Shoreline shows that they are planning to upload to archive? I'm eager to hear how the tour started out. I can't wait until the shows at Jones Beach to listen...still debating on whether to get the webcast...I'll probably cave and pay the 20 bucks though...haha

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Jun 6, 2011 12:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Furthur "pay per view" Experiments @ TRI Studios 06/07/11

http://www.tristudios.com/

Well, this should prove to be an interesting experiment. I know of folks who have dropped $20 on a live concert pay-per-view, but this may be a first in terms of an "in studio" live concert PPV webcast. I don't know?

The first live studio performance broadcast via satellite was the Beatles in 1967 performing "All You Need Is Love" to the tune of 400 million people worldwide at no charge.

It's common knowledge that there is well over a Mill Buck $$$ invested in this building and as an owner ROI is certainly worthy of consideration even though this facility could also function as a "state-of-the-art" tax deduction. Are there enough performers to sell "reference" caliber studio time to pay-the-way as fragmented as the music biddiness has become?

What are your thoughts on this? I mean if it caught wings and took off these guys could sleep at home every night. I'm just not sure the fans would be content dancing and twirling in front of their i-phones and laptops, or streamed to their parents 3DHDTV surround sound systems.

The immediacy of the live concert experience can never be replicated over the internet. "Concert" implies performing before an audience, webcasting is a disconnected audience.


06/03/11 (Fri) Shoreline Amphitheatre - Mountain View, CA

Set 1: Here Comes the Sun, Jack Straw, Bertha, Pride of Cucamonga, Cumberland Blues, Deal > The Other One > Hell In A Bucket

Set 2: Help On The Way > Slipknot! > Franklin's Tower > St. Stephen > The Eleven > Mountain Song > Playing in the Band > Uncle John's Band > Morning Dew > Uncle John's Band > Playing in the Band (reprise) E: Touch of Grey


Lineup: Phil Lesh - bass
Bob Weir - guitar & vocals
Jeff Chimenti - keyboards
John Kadlecik - guitar & vocals
Joe Russo - drums
Jeff Pehrson - vocals
Sunshine Becker - vocals






This post was modified by dark.starz on 2011-06-06 19:38:00

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jun 6, 2011 5:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 'pay per view' Experiments @ TRI Studios 06/07/11

More news about Weir's 'Flying Saucer':

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/06/06/DDV41JNL2U.DTL&;feed=rss.entertainment

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jun 6, 2011 1:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 'pay per view' Experiments @ TRI Studios 06/07/11

Just out of curiosity, who is handling the jerry tunes vocally these days? Is it Weir, the DSO guy or a combo of both?

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Poster: vapors Date: Jun 7, 2011 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 'pay per view' Experiments @ TRI Studios 06/07/11

Apparently like you, I am not all too familiar with what they are up to lobster, but curious enough to do a little random checking from this years offerings on youtube and LMA. Looks like the vocals on Jerry songs is shared around, but mostly covered by John K. For example, Phil sang Peggy-O and Eyes, Bob sang Dear Prudence, China Cat, Liberty. Dark Star was sung by both Bob and JK, Sugaree by Bob (when he remembers the words), JK on To Lay Me Down, Morning Dew, Scarlet, Shakedown...

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jun 7, 2011 9:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 'pay per view' Experiments @ TRI Studios 06/07/11

spreading the wealth. Bob on Sugaree is tough. I love the man but he might want to pass that one off.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Jun 6, 2011 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 'pay per view' Experiments @ TRI Studios 06/07/11

I caught the Phil & Friends Tour w/Dylan in Ventura perhaps in 1999 when Robben Ford, Bill Payne and Paul Barrere were in tow and the set was solid, for that matter so was Dylan's, mostly in part due to the compentency of his band.

Caught Ratdog in 2003 and that's about it. It's proved to be a worthy cause to volunteer for others to step up.

BTW, Lobster12 thanks for the push towards the NHL playoffs. Having grown up in the northern suburbs of Chicago many a winter afternoon was spent on the frozen ponds and cornfields playing hockey.

That very first Blackhawk experience at the Chicago Stadium in 1967 walking up a few levels and first seeing how dynamic the arena and the ice appeared was total 3D cinemascope technicolor compared to the mostly black and white broadcasts of the day.

The lineup's in the day with Bobby & Dennis Hull, Stan Mikita etc was awesome, but the Bruins lineup with Phil Esposito and Bobby Orr mostly proved to be the superior team.

Oh yeah, and the Canadiens as well, Lafluer, Richard etc.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Jun 7, 2011 6:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 'pay per view' Experiments @ TRI Studios 06/07/11

You're so amazing Koch...You have been everywhere and done everything and seen every show and lived everywhere. WOW. You truly are the most knowledgeable, interesting person ever.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 8, 2011 10:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 'pay per view' Experiments @ TRI Studios 06/07/11

Reminds me of what FDR told me on the night before D-day, and shortly after his radio address announcing that the Allies had taken Rome.

As we strolled through the White House, located at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, D.C., on that warm summer evening -- he confined to his wheelchair ever since falling into the icy waters of the Bay of Fundy in August 1921: "snow_and_rain," the president said, "on the eve of this historic invasion," known to us G.I.'s as 'Operation Overlord,' "I'd just like to remind you to never believe a sociopathic bullshitter, no matter how many useless, extraneous, and easily obtainable details he includes to back it up."

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 8, 2011 2:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 'pay per view' Experiments @ TRI Studios 06/07/11

S&R, this is truly amazing! I can't believe what a small world it is...this had to have been just moments after he and I had concluded our final discussion for the realignment of Europe post invasion victory!

Hmmmm...wait a minute! What did he say to you!?

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jun 6, 2011 1:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 'pay per view' Experiments @ TRI Studios 06/07/11

been a great series so far. Boston is far from out of it. Big game 3 tonight.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jun 6, 2011 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 'pay per view' Experiments @ TRI Studios 06/07/11

I have little to zero interest. For me, a BIG part of live shows is the sound. I can't recreate concert sound at home.

If I want great music at home why would I pick "live" Further? I've got decades of GD recordings which likely sound better than a PPV stream.

Just my opinion.

I watched Los Lobos from the Vic last Winter and it was a GREAT SHOW....but it was free. AND, Los Lobos is a better band than Further...again, my opinion(but it's a fact, HA!).

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 6, 2011 7:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 'pay per view' Experiments @ TRI Studios 06/07/11

"Went to" GD NYE via PPV in '87. That was fun. Did they do others? That's the only one I saw.

I might consider a Furthur paid Webcast of an actual live show. (Ok, not with the speed and unreliability of my internet, but theoretically.) What I don't think they can replicate is what the crowd brings to the playing. I'm guessing that's the same with Furthur as with the Dead -- it'll be a bit sterile without that. Like a recording session or a rehearsal. (Though I'd probably pay $20 to watch a concert-length GD rehearsal. Of course, from some eras it could be 3 hours of waiting for Jerry to show up ...)

I wish Bob good luck with his "experiment," though. Interesting article posted below by Styrofoam. He's got the band, he's got the space, no reason not to see if he can make money with it ... I'd put the "tickets" lower than $20, to draw in more "what the heck" buyers, but I have the business sense of a newt and it's his/their experiment.



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Poster: dark.starz Date: Jun 8, 2011 2:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 'pay per view' Experiments @ TRI Studios 06/07/11

"I wish Bob good luck with his "experiment," though."

How bout that; a complement paid to Weir at the GD Forum, haven't read one of those since reviews of Weir's guitar playing in Europe of 1972.

And yes, this particular SF Gate article linked appeared to be well prepared and resonated with reasonable journalistic integrity.

Someone recently posted that the audience's at Furthur, Phil and Friends and Ratdog shows are not necessarily comprised of baby boomers. For that matter not even attended by the children of baby boomers. There is an entire new generation rising up and perhaps the legacy of "Grateful Dead" music is the perfect tonic for the soon-to-be tumultous times.

It's a general rule of thumb that investors will risk @ 10% of their net worth on somewhat risky propositions. But in this specific case the down side is minimal, because even if it doesn't make money there are corporate LLC tax advantages of an investment losing money.

Further, many moons from now, it will eventually be passed on to his heirs and unless the government changes the inheritance tax law in California, or Weir was careless enough not to create a living trust (which i seriously doubt) after the horrible Garcia estate wars, with the names such as "Weir" and the "Grateful Dead" attached to it this building will always command a handsome ransom in terms of resale.

I mean if the owner of the Indianapolis Colts was willing to pay some $900,000 for Jerrys "Tiger" guitar this facility would certainly be a more substantial investment, yes?

My hope for Bob is that he can bring-in enough new and interesting talent to create a desire on behalf of the music enthusiast's of the world to want to tune-in, watch and listen.

Ever notice Hollywood actors after a few successes seem to aspire to the role of director and producer? I believe he's paid enough dues over the years to assume those positions and earn the luxury of sleeping at home as compared to a bus.



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Poster: Skobud Date: Jun 8, 2011 5:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 'pay per view' Experiments @ TRI Studios 06/07/11

Koch you are an idiot, yes?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 6, 2011 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 'pay per view' Experiments @ TRI Studios 06/07/11

>Los Lobos is a better band than Further

I think David Hidalgo alone is a universe away, never mind the whole band.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 6, 2011 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 'pay per view' Experiments @ TRI Studios 06/07/11

Funny, I watched a Los Lobos show on local cable access this past weekend from a show I caught here last year. As you both know, I'm fully in the Los Lobos is one of the great band camps.

Furthur will play two nights at the Monterey County Fairgrounds, which I pass every day. Not going because I don't care. Those that go, I hope you have fun. I got other things to do (like the laundry).